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		<title>Comment on Bike Party and the Stupidity of Crowds by Rhett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting, Jarek.  You are, in fact, right that you have described the problem is that people must police themselves, but this has a lot to do with the actual organizational structure of the ride.  Please keep in mind that I am not advocating for a reform of EBBP.  The big problem with a house party metaphor, though, is that Bike Party isn&#039;t a house party.  House parties aren&#039;t held on public infrastructure, they don&#039;t raise the attention of the authorities (unless something goes really wrong), and members of the public don&#039;t converse about them on the websites of local newspapers.  Every Bike Party I&#039;ve ridden (San Jose and East Bay) has ended up being discussed by the public, and there is a tone of ambivalence that results from our tearing through neighborhoods, making noise, waking up babies, etc.

So, this isn&#039;t just about personal safety.  This is also about Bike Party keeping a good image, and what I&#039;m starting to notice from a lot of anarchic grassroots groups who operate in public is that they can&#039;t keep a good face indefinitely.  Consider the result if that crash had been catastrophic enough that it involved an ambulance, particularly if a couple of more people were hit.  I, personally, missed joining the crash by only a few feet.

But as far as keeping myself safe, my experience with Bike Party tells me that there isn&#039;t necessarily &quot;another room&quot; to go to.  I was riding in a loose pack when the crash happened.  I had taken up a position that was a couple feet behind someone who appeared to be a BIRD.  Except for someone riding on a bike trailer, there was no irresponsible riding.  The crash was instigated by someone who came out of nowhere.  And that&#039;s pretty common for all the bad things I&#039;ve seen at Bike Party rides.  Everything is fine, and then someone does something really dumb and endangers everyone around them.  The amount of time it takes to endanger others on a bike is very, very short, which is why pack riding is a set of skills people have to learn to develop.  Because of this, the only place I have ever felt safe is when I&#039;m basically far out in the lead.

Again, I&#039;m not demanding EBBP reform.  Even if I wanted that, I don&#039;t have the time to make it a priority for myself.  This is mostly a rambling musing on people&#039;s behavior in festival space, its relationship to groups which embrace anarchic formation and facilitation, and the problems that come with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting, Jarek.  You are, in fact, right that you have described the problem is that people must police themselves, but this has a lot to do with the actual organizational structure of the ride.  Please keep in mind that I am not advocating for a reform of EBBP.  The big problem with a house party metaphor, though, is that Bike Party isn&#8217;t a house party.  House parties aren&#8217;t held on public infrastructure, they don&#8217;t raise the attention of the authorities (unless something goes really wrong), and members of the public don&#8217;t converse about them on the websites of local newspapers.  Every Bike Party I&#8217;ve ridden (San Jose and East Bay) has ended up being discussed by the public, and there is a tone of ambivalence that results from our tearing through neighborhoods, making noise, waking up babies, etc.</p>
<p>So, this isn&#8217;t just about personal safety.  This is also about Bike Party keeping a good image, and what I&#8217;m starting to notice from a lot of anarchic grassroots groups who operate in public is that they can&#8217;t keep a good face indefinitely.  Consider the result if that crash had been catastrophic enough that it involved an ambulance, particularly if a couple of more people were hit.  I, personally, missed joining the crash by only a few feet.</p>
<p>But as far as keeping myself safe, my experience with Bike Party tells me that there isn&#8217;t necessarily &#8220;another room&#8221; to go to.  I was riding in a loose pack when the crash happened.  I had taken up a position that was a couple feet behind someone who appeared to be a BIRD.  Except for someone riding on a bike trailer, there was no irresponsible riding.  The crash was instigated by someone who came out of nowhere.  And that&#8217;s pretty common for all the bad things I&#8217;ve seen at Bike Party rides.  Everything is fine, and then someone does something really dumb and endangers everyone around them.  The amount of time it takes to endanger others on a bike is very, very short, which is why pack riding is a set of skills people have to learn to develop.  Because of this, the only place I have ever felt safe is when I&#8217;m basically far out in the lead.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not demanding EBBP reform.  Even if I wanted that, I don&#8217;t have the time to make it a priority for myself.  This is mostly a rambling musing on people&#8217;s behavior in festival space, its relationship to groups which embrace anarchic formation and facilitation, and the problems that come with it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bike Party and the Stupidity of Crowds by Jarek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem isnt organization....bike parties dont grow on trees, but grown from the grassroots. the eternal problem is at any party - who can be accountable for themselves and who doesnt want to? like any good house party....its up to the ones in attendance to police themselves. Ive always found it just as easy to go to another room and let the idiots play by  themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem isnt organization&#8230;.bike parties dont grow on trees, but grown from the grassroots. the eternal problem is at any party &#8211; who can be accountable for themselves and who doesnt want to? like any good house party&#8230;.its up to the ones in attendance to police themselves. Ive always found it just as easy to go to another room and let the idiots play by  themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Let Me Tell You About Oakland by Will Hooper</title>
		<link>http://rhett.weatherlight.com/2011/11/let-me-tell-you-about-oakland/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience at the Occupy NOLA camps in early November were much the same - a heavy contingent of the homeless, in part because it allowed at least the possibility of progress. Also like you, I think that the &quot;irritant&quot; factor and the conversation-changing it brings may be one of the most valuable effects of the whole thing.

- W</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience at the Occupy NOLA camps in early November were much the same &#8211; a heavy contingent of the homeless, in part because it allowed at least the possibility of progress. Also like you, I think that the &#8220;irritant&#8221; factor and the conversation-changing it brings may be one of the most valuable effects of the whole thing.</p>
<p>- W</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Creativity by Julie Bernstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said. All of it. You should post this on G+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said. All of it. You should post this on G+.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Yes, Virginia, I am an atheist Pagan by Rhett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mighty Hooper, I appreciate your remarks and the appreciation which gives rise to them.  It is true that our &quot;face time&quot; has always been too short, and we&#039;re going to need to find some way to correct that in the future.

Of course, when it comes to reaching out between the theists and the atheists, I consider Camus&#039; remarks to the Dominicans, published in &quot;The Unbeliever and Christians,&quot; the model.  I cannot truly say I can see a deity anywhere, but something I can see is evil.  We are faced with it, and where we can agree we see evil, we have a duty to come together to stand against it or at least not add to it.

On that front, I have never had any question where your heart lies, and I think it makes you a model human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mighty Hooper, I appreciate your remarks and the appreciation which gives rise to them.  It is true that our &#8220;face time&#8221; has always been too short, and we&#8217;re going to need to find some way to correct that in the future.</p>
<p>Of course, when it comes to reaching out between the theists and the atheists, I consider Camus&#8217; remarks to the Dominicans, published in &#8220;The Unbeliever and Christians,&#8221; the model.  I cannot truly say I can see a deity anywhere, but something I can see is evil.  We are faced with it, and where we can agree we see evil, we have a duty to come together to stand against it or at least not add to it.</p>
<p>On that front, I have never had any question where your heart lies, and I think it makes you a model human.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Yes, Virginia, I am an atheist Pagan by Will Hooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I do not get to spend nearly enough time talking with either you or your wife, Rhett, I am reminded in posts like this one why I maintain such a profound respect for you - and such a feeling of solidarity, even spiritually speaking - despite some reasonably significant differences of opinion on ontological matters. Thanks for writing things like this and for being the man you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do not get to spend nearly enough time talking with either you or your wife, Rhett, I am reminded in posts like this one why I maintain such a profound respect for you &#8211; and such a feeling of solidarity, even spiritually speaking &#8211; despite some reasonably significant differences of opinion on ontological matters. Thanks for writing things like this and for being the man you are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Yes, Virginia, I am an atheist Pagan by Rhett</title>
		<link>http://rhett.weatherlight.com/2011/06/yes-virginia-i-am-an-atheist-pagan/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, Sasha!

Being nearly 32, and having been a Pagan of some stripe or another since I was 15, I can tell you this-- if you have an open and questioning mind, you&#039;re never going to finish figuring out what you believe.  At least, that&#039;s been the case for me.  I&#039;ve gone through some very distinct philosophical phases...who I am and what I believe was very different before I started reading the existentialists, for example.  So, there&#039;s no rush.  You&#039;ll probably be figuring out what you believe the rest of your life.

Something I hope to be able to bring to light through this post and a few others in the future is that atheism has actually been an ever-present philosophical and cultural force in almost all the world religions.  There have been atheistic philosophers who retain connections to their religions.  Most people don&#039;t know that the term &quot;ground of being&quot; actually comes from a Christian philosopher named Paul Tillich who is regarded by more than a few as being a pantheist or atheist.

I honestly think that there is a general cultural surrounding modern Paganism that focuses way too much on &quot;belief,&quot; and I suspect it&#039;s something that&#039;s been picked up from living in cultures heavily steeped in Christianity.  Christianity is a doctrinal religion-- it is, fundamentally, defined by one&#039;s committed belief to a series of ideas.  Paganism has, for most of its life, been practical rather than doctrinal.  That is, it&#039;s about practice...about what you do.  I think that a lot of new Pagan focus on what one believes rather than what one does has a lot to do with the fact that, with Abrahamic doctrinal religions all around most of us, we&#039;ve grown used to the idea that religions are about what we believe.

But, I think the tent&#039;s a pretty big one.  There were a lot of great atheists long before atheism took on its modern face.  Plenty of them were Pagans.  I&#039;m joining them and seeing Paganism in terms of practice, experience, and culture.

And I do get looked at funny from time to time (I&#039;ll write more on that in another post, actually).  You probably might, too.  But, if that&#039;s who you are, then it&#039;s other people&#039;s problems and not yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, Sasha!</p>
<p>Being nearly 32, and having been a Pagan of some stripe or another since I was 15, I can tell you this&#8211; if you have an open and questioning mind, you&#8217;re never going to finish figuring out what you believe.  At least, that&#8217;s been the case for me.  I&#8217;ve gone through some very distinct philosophical phases&#8230;who I am and what I believe was very different before I started reading the existentialists, for example.  So, there&#8217;s no rush.  You&#8217;ll probably be figuring out what you believe the rest of your life.</p>
<p>Something I hope to be able to bring to light through this post and a few others in the future is that atheism has actually been an ever-present philosophical and cultural force in almost all the world religions.  There have been atheistic philosophers who retain connections to their religions.  Most people don&#8217;t know that the term &#8220;ground of being&#8221; actually comes from a Christian philosopher named Paul Tillich who is regarded by more than a few as being a pantheist or atheist.</p>
<p>I honestly think that there is a general cultural surrounding modern Paganism that focuses way too much on &#8220;belief,&#8221; and I suspect it&#8217;s something that&#8217;s been picked up from living in cultures heavily steeped in Christianity.  Christianity is a doctrinal religion&#8211; it is, fundamentally, defined by one&#8217;s committed belief to a series of ideas.  Paganism has, for most of its life, been practical rather than doctrinal.  That is, it&#8217;s about practice&#8230;about what you do.  I think that a lot of new Pagan focus on what one believes rather than what one does has a lot to do with the fact that, with Abrahamic doctrinal religions all around most of us, we&#8217;ve grown used to the idea that religions are about what we believe.</p>
<p>But, I think the tent&#8217;s a pretty big one.  There were a lot of great atheists long before atheism took on its modern face.  Plenty of them were Pagans.  I&#8217;m joining them and seeing Paganism in terms of practice, experience, and culture.</p>
<p>And I do get looked at funny from time to time (I&#8217;ll write more on that in another post, actually).  You probably might, too.  But, if that&#8217;s who you are, then it&#8217;s other people&#8217;s problems and not yours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Yes, Virginia, I am an atheist Pagan by Sasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your post. I am 19 years old and still trying to figure out what exactly I believe in. When I first heard of Paganism it intrigued me greatly and I felt the practices I have heard of and what I have heard of their beliefs I do agree with. A part of me wanted to become a Pagan, but I felt stuck because if I am honest with myself, I do not believe in any sort of divine power/ god/ goddess. So I kind of gave up on that idea, because I can&#039;t pretend to believe in something I don&#039;t, and if I call myself a Pagan- Atheist everyone would just say that&#039;s not possible and I am really neither one of those things. But I really love your argument, and it gave me more faith in pursuing being an Pagan- Atheist, if I can come to terms with scrutiny I may get for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your post. I am 19 years old and still trying to figure out what exactly I believe in. When I first heard of Paganism it intrigued me greatly and I felt the practices I have heard of and what I have heard of their beliefs I do agree with. A part of me wanted to become a Pagan, but I felt stuck because if I am honest with myself, I do not believe in any sort of divine power/ god/ goddess. So I kind of gave up on that idea, because I can&#8217;t pretend to believe in something I don&#8217;t, and if I call myself a Pagan- Atheist everyone would just say that&#8217;s not possible and I am really neither one of those things. But I really love your argument, and it gave me more faith in pursuing being an Pagan- Atheist, if I can come to terms with scrutiny I may get for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Yes, Virginia, I am an atheist Pagan by Yewtree</title>
		<link>http://rhett.weatherlight.com/2011/06/yes-virginia-i-am-an-atheist-pagan/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>Yewtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. I don&#039;t see why you can&#039;t be a Pagan Atheist. In fact, I started a group for Pagan Non-theism on Facebook once. I know quite a few Pagan Atheists and think it&#039;s a completely valid position. I call myself a non-theist, because to me the Divine is an experience rather than a person. I&#039;ve given up calling myself a Pagan because there are too many people using it to mean several things that I am not. But I was a happy Pagan Atheist for most of my time as a Pagan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. I don&#8217;t see why you can&#8217;t be a Pagan Atheist. In fact, I started a group for Pagan Non-theism on Facebook once. I know quite a few Pagan Atheists and think it&#8217;s a completely valid position. I call myself a non-theist, because to me the Divine is an experience rather than a person. I&#8217;ve given up calling myself a Pagan because there are too many people using it to mean several things that I am not. But I was a happy Pagan Atheist for most of my time as a Pagan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Yes, Virginia, I am an atheist Pagan by Valerie Herron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie Herron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post, Rhett. I think it&#039;s really important for those of us in the Pagan/Heathen/Witch/Alternative Faith community to communicate the various ways we practice. I think it&#039;s also a revelation for a lot of people to hear about Pagan-Atheists, since we are usually all considered to be hardcore polytheists. 

Someday I&#039;ll get around to writing that article about my experiences as a Pagan-Agnostic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post, Rhett. I think it&#8217;s really important for those of us in the Pagan/Heathen/Witch/Alternative Faith community to communicate the various ways we practice. I think it&#8217;s also a revelation for a lot of people to hear about Pagan-Atheists, since we are usually all considered to be hardcore polytheists. </p>
<p>Someday I&#8217;ll get around to writing that article about my experiences as a Pagan-Agnostic&#8230;</p>
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